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		<title>By: Lint Collecting &#171; Tish Tosh Tesh</title>
		<link>http://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/artsy-fartsy/#comment-5454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lint Collecting &#171; Tish Tosh Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Enough is Enough &#171; Tish Tosh Tesh</title>
		<link>http://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/artsy-fartsy/#comment-3524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Enough is Enough &#171; Tish Tosh Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] designers should be intimately familiar with, seeing as how our medium is interactive by nature.  (Which doesn&#8217;t invalidate it as an art medium, by the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Dblade</title>
		<link>http://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/artsy-fartsy/#comment-3318</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see legitimacy as a strength. While Tesh is right that art isn&#039;t bohemian in itself, it almost always is underground, hidden or countervailing to the legitimate view. That&#039;s why people like Ebert rail at it, because games are some of those, and they are effective: more people will be touched by GTA than The Hurt Locker, and people remember their consoles rather than the Oscar winner of 1984.

I don&#039;t worry too much though, what is art changes so much over time definitions are silly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see legitimacy as a strength. While Tesh is right that art isn&#8217;t bohemian in itself, it almost always is underground, hidden or countervailing to the legitimate view. That&#8217;s why people like Ebert rail at it, because games are some of those, and they are effective: more people will be touched by GTA than The Hurt Locker, and people remember their consoles rather than the Oscar winner of 1984.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t worry too much though, what is art changes so much over time definitions are silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Callan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 06:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think art should probably be treated more like a verb than a noun - rather than &quot;I made art&quot; more like &quot;I am arting you&quot; or &quot;I am attempting to art you&quot;. A bit like &quot;I am pushing you&quot; or &quot;I am attempting to push you&quot;

While asking &#039;What is art?&#039; is a bit like asking &#039;What is push?&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think art should probably be treated more like a verb than a noun &#8211; rather than &#8220;I made art&#8221; more like &#8220;I am arting you&#8221; or &#8220;I am attempting to art you&#8221;. A bit like &#8220;I am pushing you&#8221; or &#8220;I am attempting to push you&#8221;</p>
<p>While asking &#8216;What is art?&#8217; is a bit like asking &#8216;What is push?&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: We Fly Spitfires</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 11:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Art is a funny thing... very few people seem capable of creating it yet everyone seems determined to critique it. I just don&#039;t listen to anyone else any more and just follow my own instincts and interpretations about what I like or don&#039;t like. For instance, I know I&#039;m going to funny looks at work when I order my Rothko print but screw &#039;em, I think it&#039;s beautiful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art is a funny thing&#8230; very few people seem capable of creating it yet everyone seems determined to critique it. I just don&#8217;t listen to anyone else any more and just follow my own instincts and interpretations about what I like or don&#8217;t like. For instance, I know I&#8217;m going to funny looks at work when I order my Rothko print but screw &#8216;em, I think it&#8217;s beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was hoping you&#039;d chime in, Brian.  ;)

Agreed, and thanks for the link to your article.  I actually wrote some pithy comments about the Jack Thompsons of the world, but it came across as more... bitter and unconstructive than I&#039;d intended.  I have little use for politicians in general.  There&#039;s a definite set of concerns there, though, especially given the implications for First Amendment wrangling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping you&#8217;d chime in, Brian.  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Agreed, and thanks for the link to your article.  I actually wrote some pithy comments about the Jack Thompsons of the world, but it came across as more&#8230; bitter and unconstructive than I&#8217;d intended.  I have little use for politicians in general.  There&#8217;s a definite set of concerns there, though, especially given the implications for First Amendment wrangling.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian 'Psychochild' Green</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian 'Psychochild' Green]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 18:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve ignored Ebert for a while because I see him as purely trolling.  Best way to deal with a troll is to ignore it; unfortunately, few other people are following this advice.

While I agree that Ebert is not exactly qualified to be a game critic, seeing has how he can&#039;t even be bothered to play games, the problem here is that his opinion has a lot of impact.  Other uninformed people will see his opinion and, given that he&#039;s a respected movie critic, put weight behind his words.  It doesn&#039;t help that movies and games are closely related in many people&#039;s minds (especially some game developers who are probably wannabe movie directors).

This ties back to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.psychochild.org/?p=590&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the issue of legitimacy&lt;/a&gt; I&#039;ve written about before.  Ebert saying games aren&#039;t really art hurts the industry as we struggle to be taken seriously.  Games being art or not may not affect how we play them or how developers like us make games, but it certainly impacts how much other people view our work, particularly politicians who like to score cheap points trying to &quot;protect the children&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve ignored Ebert for a while because I see him as purely trolling.  Best way to deal with a troll is to ignore it; unfortunately, few other people are following this advice.</p>
<p>While I agree that Ebert is not exactly qualified to be a game critic, seeing has how he can&#8217;t even be bothered to play games, the problem here is that his opinion has a lot of impact.  Other uninformed people will see his opinion and, given that he&#8217;s a respected movie critic, put weight behind his words.  It doesn&#8217;t help that movies and games are closely related in many people&#8217;s minds (especially some game developers who are probably wannabe movie directors).</p>
<p>This ties back to <a href="http://www.psychochild.org/?p=590" rel="nofollow">the issue of legitimacy</a> I&#8217;ve written about before.  Ebert saying games aren&#8217;t really art hurts the industry as we struggle to be taken seriously.  Games being art or not may not affect how we play them or how developers like us make games, but it certainly impacts how much other people view our work, particularly politicians who like to score cheap points trying to &#8220;protect the children&#8221;.</p>
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