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	<title>Comments on: Naught to Fear but Horror Itself</title>
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		<title>By: Navimie</title>
		<link>http://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/naught-to-fear-but-horror-itself/#comment-6525</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 03:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a fascinating read! If someone had told me today I would be reading about horror movies I would have laughed at them.

I can&#039;t stand horror movies. I actually genuinely dislike being scared. I had to laugh at the shaky cam comment in regards to BWP because I hate those too, I get seasick! I actually hadn&#039;t really thought of the Alien series as horror because I guess I tried to stuff it under the scifi label. Though really if I am covering my eyes or yelping when I am startled or scared then it must be horror :)

I guess its hard to have a horror movie without all the gore, monsters and death. That&#039;s what scares people. The only other way to scare people is maybe... Have a concept that is terrifying though not necessarily monstrous. Like about being truly alone in the world with nobody left to interact with, not even an insect.  Or maybe starving and considering eating your pet dog. Or perhaps living your life as a battery hen or a pig for slaughter. Hmm, maybe I&#039;m not good at this horror thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fascinating read! If someone had told me today I would be reading about horror movies I would have laughed at them.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stand horror movies. I actually genuinely dislike being scared. I had to laugh at the shaky cam comment in regards to BWP because I hate those too, I get seasick! I actually hadn&#8217;t really thought of the Alien series as horror because I guess I tried to stuff it under the scifi label. Though really if I am covering my eyes or yelping when I am startled or scared then it must be horror <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I guess its hard to have a horror movie without all the gore, monsters and death. That&#8217;s what scares people. The only other way to scare people is maybe&#8230; Have a concept that is terrifying though not necessarily monstrous. Like about being truly alone in the world with nobody left to interact with, not even an insect.  Or maybe starving and considering eating your pet dog. Or perhaps living your life as a battery hen or a pig for slaughter. Hmm, maybe I&#8217;m not good at this horror thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Callan S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Callan S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, but it&#039;s not really being scared or horrified - they wouldn&#039;t watch such movies right after someone they know has died in a car accident, for example. It&#039;s more like getting a &#039;safety&#039; high than a horror high.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but it&#8217;s not really being scared or horrified &#8211; they wouldn&#8217;t watch such movies right after someone they know has died in a car accident, for example. It&#8217;s more like getting a &#8216;safety&#8217; high than a horror high.</p>
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		<title>By: motstandet</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some people like being scared or horrified. Some like extreme sports; some, strategy games. Fear, thrill, and fiero release adrenalin all the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people like being scared or horrified. Some like extreme sports; some, strategy games. Fear, thrill, and fiero release adrenalin all the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Callan S.</title>
		<link>http://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/naught-to-fear-but-horror-itself/#comment-6509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Callan S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve wondered if the appeal of horror movies was just how safe some people feel in their normal lives, particularly in &#039;returning&#039; to their normal life after the movie is over.  But as the song &#039;horror movie&#039; says, you can watch the six o&#039;clock news and see the bad things happening in real life. I suspect people who watch horror movies wouldn&#039;t for some time if a road accident or death occured to someone they knew. It&#039;s just in the meantime they feel super duper perfectly safe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve wondered if the appeal of horror movies was just how safe some people feel in their normal lives, particularly in &#8216;returning&#8217; to their normal life after the movie is over.  But as the song &#8216;horror movie&#8217; says, you can watch the six o&#8217;clock news and see the bad things happening in real life. I suspect people who watch horror movies wouldn&#8217;t for some time if a road accident or death occured to someone they knew. It&#8217;s just in the meantime they feel super duper perfectly safe.</p>
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		<title>By: motstandet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[motstandet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paranormal Activity
The Ring
The Woman in Black
Insidious]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paranormal Activity<br />
The Ring<br />
The Woman in Black<br />
Insidious</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a huge fan of shakycam myself, however, I really enjoy the Blair Witch because it was very different at the time it came out, and it was horror completely without gore. It captures very well the feelings of being lost in the woods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a huge fan of shakycam myself, however, I really enjoy the Blair Witch because it was very different at the time it came out, and it was horror completely without gore. It captures very well the feelings of being lost in the woods.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t stand shakycam filmmaking.  I&#039;ve heard Blair Witch Project is one of those Big Deal cultural touchpoints, but the teaser I saw for it made me completely disinterested.  Still, I should probably read a bit more about it, thanks for the reminder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t stand shakycam filmmaking.  I&#8217;ve heard Blair Witch Project is one of those Big Deal cultural touchpoints, but the teaser I saw for it made me completely disinterested.  Still, I should probably read a bit more about it, thanks for the reminder.</p>
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		<title>By: motstandet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[motstandet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blair Witch Project?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blair Witch Project?</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 06:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jason,
Indeed, that&#039;s really what I find interesting.  Seeing/reading how people handle events is the part I care to understand and use.

ZombiePirate,
That makes me wonder... do these things just coast on the shock value?  I think they probably do, but that&#039;s just a guess.

mbp,
First, yes, I&#039;m limiting myself, but I&#039;m OK with that.  I&#039;ve picked up enough from reviews and papers on serious analysis to get what I want.
Second, it sounds like you&#039;re in it for the shock factor.  That part doesn&#039;t interest me, but I do understand some of the psychology there.  There are some curious effects when you go to a place specifically to be scared... but you know there&#039;s no real danger.  That&#039;s where the catharsis and proxy emoting aspects of this come into play.
Third, Alien has been big for as long as I can remember (born in 1976).  I grew up with a strong mother (raised my sister and I alone for a decade), and Ripley was established by the time I knew of her.  Strong women weren&#039;t an oddity to me... but digging into the history of the film, it really does stand out how strong of an effect Ripley had, largely for the positive.

Oh, and incidentally, tor.com has a good synopsis of Ripley as contrasted with the new Dr. Shaw heroine thisaway:
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/06/ripley-versus-shaw-the-women-of-the-alien-universe

Robert,
The &quot;gritty&quot;, more &quot;realistic&quot; aspect of the film, as opposed to the fantasy world of Star Wars, definitely has a strong effect.  It turns out that I really can&#039;t stand H. R. Giger, but I&#039;ll readily note that the man has a strong style, and it has a way of echoing in the personality of the presentation of the film.

Becca,
*chuckle* Thanks!  I really need to finish the books.  I do think I&#039;ll avoid the pessimistic, cynical side of things, though.  There&#039;s enough of that in the real world.  (And did anyone go read that article at the link I noted in the &quot;awful, horrible truths&quot; phrase?  Real wars have some crazy terrible things to be recounted.  No facehuggers, but in some ways, far worse for knowing that these things *really* happened.)

Syl,
When these things stay on the &quot;suggestion&quot; level, they really do seem to work better in some ways.  It&#039;s not the best parallel, perhaps, but while we&#039;re talking about the penumbra of human morality, there are simple psychological reasons that skanky, titillating attire is often *more* tantalizing than full-on nudity.  Leaving things to the imagination can be both simpler and more powerful.  Leveraging the reader&#039;s imagination can do wonders.  (For better or worse, really.)

nugget,
I think that &quot;dark heart&quot; really is indeed the key.  That darkness is something we all have to be aware of and beware of.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,<br />
Indeed, that&#8217;s really what I find interesting.  Seeing/reading how people handle events is the part I care to understand and use.</p>
<p>ZombiePirate,<br />
That makes me wonder&#8230; do these things just coast on the shock value?  I think they probably do, but that&#8217;s just a guess.</p>
<p>mbp,<br />
First, yes, I&#8217;m limiting myself, but I&#8217;m OK with that.  I&#8217;ve picked up enough from reviews and papers on serious analysis to get what I want.<br />
Second, it sounds like you&#8217;re in it for the shock factor.  That part doesn&#8217;t interest me, but I do understand some of the psychology there.  There are some curious effects when you go to a place specifically to be scared&#8230; but you know there&#8217;s no real danger.  That&#8217;s where the catharsis and proxy emoting aspects of this come into play.<br />
Third, Alien has been big for as long as I can remember (born in 1976).  I grew up with a strong mother (raised my sister and I alone for a decade), and Ripley was established by the time I knew of her.  Strong women weren&#8217;t an oddity to me&#8230; but digging into the history of the film, it really does stand out how strong of an effect Ripley had, largely for the positive.</p>
<p>Oh, and incidentally, tor.com has a good synopsis of Ripley as contrasted with the new Dr. Shaw heroine thisaway:<br />
<a href="http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/06/ripley-versus-shaw-the-women-of-the-alien-universe" rel="nofollow">http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/06/ripley-versus-shaw-the-women-of-the-alien-universe</a></p>
<p>Robert,<br />
The &#8220;gritty&#8221;, more &#8220;realistic&#8221; aspect of the film, as opposed to the fantasy world of Star Wars, definitely has a strong effect.  It turns out that I really can&#8217;t stand H. R. Giger, but I&#8217;ll readily note that the man has a strong style, and it has a way of echoing in the personality of the presentation of the film.</p>
<p>Becca,<br />
*chuckle* Thanks!  I really need to finish the books.  I do think I&#8217;ll avoid the pessimistic, cynical side of things, though.  There&#8217;s enough of that in the real world.  (And did anyone go read that article at the link I noted in the &#8220;awful, horrible truths&#8221; phrase?  Real wars have some crazy terrible things to be recounted.  No facehuggers, but in some ways, far worse for knowing that these things *really* happened.)</p>
<p>Syl,<br />
When these things stay on the &#8220;suggestion&#8221; level, they really do seem to work better in some ways.  It&#8217;s not the best parallel, perhaps, but while we&#8217;re talking about the penumbra of human morality, there are simple psychological reasons that skanky, titillating attire is often *more* tantalizing than full-on nudity.  Leaving things to the imagination can be both simpler and more powerful.  Leveraging the reader&#8217;s imagination can do wonders.  (For better or worse, really.)</p>
<p>nugget,<br />
I think that &#8220;dark heart&#8221; really is indeed the key.  That darkness is something we all have to be aware of and beware of.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments, all!</p>
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		<title>By: nugget</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nugget]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 05:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find Stephen King&#039;s earlier stuff does so well as horror precisely because the horror isn&#039;t from the supernatural bits, although there are supernatural bits, it being King. The real horror, imo, in King&#039;s work is powered by tragedy and the darkness of the human heart. In many ways, the supernatural elements are both key... and incidental at the same time.

Disclaimer: While not fond of torture porn horror, nugget is a great lover of all silly supernatural horror movies and books.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Stephen King&#8217;s earlier stuff does so well as horror precisely because the horror isn&#8217;t from the supernatural bits, although there are supernatural bits, it being King. The real horror, imo, in King&#8217;s work is powered by tragedy and the darkness of the human heart. In many ways, the supernatural elements are both key&#8230; and incidental at the same time.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: While not fond of torture porn horror, nugget is a great lover of all silly supernatural horror movies and books.</p>
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